Public sentiment is overwhelmingly critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, with strong calls for Palestinian statehood and international recognition. While many commenters express outrage at perceived war crimes and humanitarian crises, a notable proportion still supports Israel, reflecting a deep polarization in opinions. The discourse is characterized by frustration over global inaction and a desire for accountability, culminating in a desire for genuine humanitarian intervention amidst profound complexities and historical injustices.

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It’s very hard to sum up. I’m going to try to make this neutral but feel free to correct anything in this post that you disagree with.

So, as you probably know, the first human civilizations were in the Middle East and North Africa. Thousands of years ago there was an ethnic and religious group living in modern day Israel, who practiced Judaism as a religion. The main city in the region was Jerusalem, which has been around in some form or another for about 6000 years.

Jerusalem has been invaded and conquered and reinvaded and reconquered literally dozens of times in the past 6000 years. The Romans had it around the supposed birth of Christ, and they eventually banned Jews from living there. The Muslims captured it (along with most of the Middle East, North Africa, and southern Europe) about 600 years later.

Getting to more modern history, it was under the control of the Ottoman Empire from about the year 1500 onward. Small communities of European Jews were buying land in Israel and establishing cities, mostly because they wanted to get out of Europe. The Ottoman Empire was on the losing side of WW1, and their empire collapsed and their land was split up by France and England.

So now it’s 1919 and England has taken control of a big chunk of land in the Middle East, which they split into two pieces. On the east side of the river Jordan they name a territory Transjordan - that territory would eventually become the Kingdom of Jordan. On the west side of the river they name it Palestine. They encourage Jews who want to immigrate to the Middle East to do so, but only to Palestine, not to Transjordan.

Over the course of the 1920’s and 1930’s, more European Jews come to Israel, they start building farms and cities, and they start having conflicts with the Arabs who have lived there for centuries. Britain begins to think being in charge of this region was kind of a mistake.

In the 1930’s Hitler takes power in Germany and starts passing laws (and eventually enacting a genocide) against Jews in Europe. When the war ends and the Holocaust ends, a lot more European Jews decide they’re going to Israel because they want a country where they’re in charge.

One of the first acts of the newly created United Nations is to try to solve the mess that Britain made in Palestine. They propose a division of the country where Israel gets some land, Palestine gets some land, and Jerusalem is made an international city under UN supervision. The Jewish leaders accept the plan, the Arab leaders don’t. From the perspective of the Arab leaders, their people have been on this land for centuries and they’re not just going to give it up. So instead of accepting the deal, Palestine and a coalition of neighbouring Arab nations decide to attack the Jewish settlements. This is the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Which Israel wins.

After the 1948 war, Israel declares itself an independent state, adopts a constitution, declares Jerusalem as its capital city. Any Arabs who are still in Israel can become citizens. Many Arab civilians fled their homes due to the war and become refugees in neighbouring countries like Syria and Jordan.

There have been a few other wars between Israel and the other Arab states, but gradually the other Arab states make peace with Israel. Israel is much wealthier than its neighbours and has a much more advanced military. 

So now it’s 2023. Most of what was the British territory of Palestine is now the nation of Israel. They maintain military control over the entire territory, but there are two regions that are nominally “Palestine.” One is called the West Bank, and it’s the land between Jerusalem and the river Jordan. The other region is called Gaza, a small strip wedged between Egypt and the sea.

Life in the Palestinian Territories is not good. Israel controls their borders. Israelis are also building new towns in the West Bank, and then building walls around them. Economic opportunities for Palestinians are pretty slim. About the only way the Palestinians can fight back is through guerrilla tactics and terrorism. Gaza is controlled by an Islamic group called Hamas, who believe that Israel should be wiped out and the whole territory should be returned to Palestinian control. This past weekend Hamas launched a major coordinated attack on Israeli, from Gaza. Israel is now attacking back. Generally Israeli can fight back a hell of a lot harder, which means for your average Palestinian civilian, things are just going to get worse and worse.

There have been a number of attempts to have peace talks and resolve the issues. Palestine doesn’t want to accept what they view as crumbs. Israel doesn’t want to leave or give up their land.

Red_AtNight

"It's our land!"

"No, we were there first"

"No you weren't, WE were"

Rinse and repeat

Throw in religion too and it's a nice recipe for disaster.

Kalle_79

Thank you to all who responded with some level of detail. I know feel better understanding what’s going on there 

Thanks again all

Fetch1965

It would take a few paragraphs to summarize perhaps the most complicated conflict in the world.

You should watch [this short video](https://youtu.be/iRYZjOuUnlU?si=BrJkWI_nzCNUmplh) from Vox. 

It’s probably the best, most unbiased, most concise take to be found.

Kman17

let me explain this with a metaphorical quote by Isaac Deutscher

"A man once jumped from the top floor of a burning house in which many members of his family had already perished. He managed to save his life; but as he was falling he hit a person standing down below and broke that person’s legs and arms. The jumping man had no choice; yet to the man with the broken limbs he was the cause of his misfortune. If both behaved rationally, they would not become enemies. The man who escaped from the blazing house, having recovered, would have tried to help and console the other sufferer; and the latter might have realized that he was the victim of circumstances over which neither of them had control. But look what happens when these people behave irrationally. The injured man blames the other for his misery and swears to make him pay for it. The other, afraid of the crippled man’s revenge, insults him, kicks him, and beats him up whenever they meet. The kicked man again swears revenge and is again punched and punished. The bitter enmity, so fortuitous at first, hardens and comes to overshadow the whole existence of both men and to poison their minds."

Riothegod1

For the historical answer, here's one i wrote one of the previous times it happened/was asked about:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/ndztqy/im_clearly_ignorant_here_but_can_someone_please/gydlkni/

Arianity

Man we are like 100 years in, this isn't really a job for Reddit.

Imkindofslow

Chumy_Cho

Heavily oversimplified, but here we go.

Historically speaking, Jewish communities used to be nomadic, but in more modern times they have settled down in various parts of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. According to a number of religious and historical documents, they once had strong ties to a region known as Palestine.

Prior to European expansion, Palestine was an independent country with its own ethnic group and culture, but it was colonized by the British empire.

During WWII, the Nazis carried out the holocaust against various minority groups in Europe, including European Jews.

After WWII, the allied nations decided that the displaced Jewish population should be allowed to settle in one of the former British colonies. Ethiopia was considered, but Palestine was chosen, due to the previously mentioned historical ties.

Needless to say, the Palestinians weren't given a say in this, so the two populations were essentially forced to share the country formerly known as Palestine. Of course, this led to conflicts between the two, but because of the support of the Western powers, the Jewish population and their new state of Israel was generally more successful.

In the years since, Israel has grown significantly, and has absorbed more and more Palestinian land. This has led to a number of Palestinian rebel groups being formed, most notably Hamas, which claims to represent the will of the Palestinian people.

Hamas and similar groups have carried out a number of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians, which has led the Israeli government to attack Palestinians indiscriminately, and carry out a number of human rights abuses against them. 

In spite of this, a number of Western nations, primarily the United States continue to show uncritical support for Israel. This is partly because of evangelical Christians who believe Israel will rule over that region on judgement day, but it's primarily because Israel buys a lot of military equipment from the United States.

Currently Palestinians are essentially forced to live in ghettos, heavily monitored and frequently abused by the Israeli military. These conditions have radicalized a number of Palestinians to join extremist groups such as Hamas.

A few days ago, Hamas carried out a large-scale attack against the civilian Israeli population, and in response the Israeli government has started to attack Palestinian communities.

Both sides have suffered greatly, but the number of Palestinians that have been killed or injured is many times greater than the number of Israelis.

In short, tensions have been brewing for close to a hundred years, but are currently escalating to all-out warfare.

DabIMON

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Having countries ruled by religion is just a bad idea

ciampi21

What date should we start from? Old Testament, sometime in the current era or in between?

identicalBadger

The little picture: Peace was breaking out, so Hamas attacked. They don’t want Israel to be accepted or have a normal life. That’s the small picture.

The medium picture is that Hamas needs to keep its people hating Israel in order to maintain its power. So they stoke the fires when things begin to calm down.

The big picture is that the US maintains influence in the middle east partially through using Israel as a military outpost and cultural power broker, and also through influencing Saudi Arabia. Iran and Russia help Hamas and other opponents of Israel and the US through training and weapon supplies. Iran helps and encourages anyone who wants to attack the US and its allies, and Iran and Russia are both vying for power in the middle east and have become allies over Ukraine. Iran uses money, espionage, propaganda, and other means to make sure that the culture of hatred towards Israel and the US lives on. Although there is natural sentiment like this, a lot of it is the result of long-term Iranian manipulation of local governments and society.

bilgetea

Israel no likey. Palestine no likey. Bang bang

TheMarathonNY

I am also educating myself more on the topic as it’s incredibly polarizing and has been for many years. The best advice I can give you is read and research as much as you can before forming opinions of your own. 

People all have their own agenda for supporting one side over the other and the more you educate yourself the more obvious their motives become. 

Reading people’s arguments you will obviously notice that one’s ties to the country (religion, nationality, etc) are going to play a huge role in the stance they take as well as their willingness to share or even hear opposing stances. 

Very few genuinely care for the humanitarian aspect. In that historically neither side is a perfect victim or in the right in any way shape or form. The fact is both sides have engaged in violence to acquire what they believe they are entitled. 

The fact is that in both countries a large majority of the citizens are completely innocent and do not at all support the use of violence to get what they believe they deserve. It’s incredibly unfortunate how many people are willing to loop innocent citizens into the malicious choices of the countries government and terrorist groups. 

And lastly be INCREDIBLY wary of what you read from the media. News and other media platforms have strong political and economic incentives to support one side over the other. All in all it is more lucrative to support Israel over Palestine due to the countries resources and military and alliances with other powerful countries. So you are more likely going to be exposed to information that has a pro Israeli bias. But again like I said don’t even take my word for it. Always verify and use other sources and literature and what not before coming to an opinion and know that even if you do that can always change with new information coming to light.

basicbitchfries

Basically it’s “sorry for the trouble, Jews, here’s some land you guys can chill on. Be advised we’re taking it from its current occupants and giving it to you. How they’re going to handle that is up to them, and all of you. K bye gl hf! 
So you have the classic story of the  indigenous vs foreign invaders.

It’s modern colonialism. We’ll collectively push them out of their own homes, label them terrorists, and apologize to them when the next generation is all messed up and in need of reparations. Assuming they carry out the pending mass relocation the same way the early American’s/Canadian’s did.

StfartDust

In short, it's like if the US crowded and camped all indigenous natives into a strip in Mississippi state, set borders around them, and called it a day.

Now ofc the natives are gonna be pissed af, throw rocks and stones, and try to seek support from anyone, even if it were Russia/China/NK, and they would eventually build makeshift rockets and cause trouble to free themselves from this captivity.

throwawayhiad

You can offer entire college majors on this so it’s really hard to give an accurate take without missing quite a bit of nuance or getting things completely wrong, which is part of why discussion is so difficult- the roots of the conflict stem from thousands of years ago. So this is going to be very simple/watered down and I might get things wrong. 

Jews lived in what is now known as Israel until the Jewish Diaspora in the 700s BC, where they are exiled. Skip lots and lots of years, Britain has control over the region. After the atrocities of WW2, the only way Jews feel safe is with a Jewish state. In order to curb immigration into the UK, the Brits give the Jews israel (I also think Jews were moving to the area as early as 1908 but I’m not sure). 

The issue with this is that people already lived in the region. Groups of un-unified people known as Palestinians are now displaced. So now you have two cultures of people who feel they have a legitimate claim to the land- and don’t like each other very much.  Instead of helping, Britain gets the F out of dodge and leaves them to settle things themselves. 

Israel slowly takes more and more of the land, displacing Palestinians. This, in turn, leads to Palestinians being born and raised viewing Israel as an out-group and an oppressor. People are eventually always going to take up arms against an oppressor. Israel has a lot of western support, and even the U.S. Army has a phrase when talking about the region: “the tenfold rule” 

This means that, historically, when Israel is attacked they respond with ten times the amount of force in order to defend what they perceive as land rightfully theirs. Rocks and IEDs are responded to with missiles and assault rifles. 

Recently, a fringe group of Palestinians, known as Hamas, invaded Israel with paratroopers. Lots and lots of innocent people are dying. 

I’m definitely missing a lot of context/nuance (I didn’t even talk about the six days war) but I tried to be as non-biased as possible. It’s an extremely complicated issue, and the only “good guys” are the innocent civilians on both sides of the conflict who are being slaughtered. 

It certainly doesn’t help that most modern conflicts stem from the code of Hammurabi. Here’s a relevant quote from the author, Kurt Vonnegut:

“A categorical imperative for all who live in obedience to the Code of Hammurabi, which includes heroes of every cowboy show and gangster show you ever saw, is this: Every injury, real or imagined, shall be avenged. Somebody’s going to be really sorry. Bombs away—or whatever…

…Revenge provokes revenge which provokes revenge which provokes revenge—forming an unbroken chain of death and destruction linking nations of today to barbarous tribes of thousands and thousands of years ago.


We may never dissuade leaders of our nation or any other nation from responding vengefully, violently, to every insult or injury. In this, the Age of Television, they will continue to find irresistible the temptation to become entertainers, to compete with movies by blowing up bridges and police stations and factories, and so on.”

joey_p1010

As a Sephardic Jew I think the best definition is from one specific Ashkenazi Jew “ the last paradox is of the tale of Palestine from the beginning till today is a simple story of colonialism and dispossession, yet the world treats it as a multi faceted, and complex story — hard to understand, and even harder to solve.” -Noam Chomsky. 

From my experience as someone who lived there. It doesn’t stop at the Palestinians, Israel’s right wing policies, affect the Sudanese, questions, and other Jews, like myself.

Adelman01

The current attack? Hamas attacked Israel because they think the current government is weak. The reason they think it is weak is because Benjamin Netanyahu has made some hard line changes especially to the judiciary and some Israelis were against this. That signaled a vulnerability among the people and government. Benjamin and his party are considered hard right and Benjamin is pushing the government that way and everyone isn't happy about that which is probably bad for Palestinians. Plus Israel and other Muslim countries are starting to normalize. This is just my perspective from what I see from the news and what I listen to. I think from Hamas perspective, there was a window of opportunity to strike considering they are in a no win situation because of the way the Israeli government is leaning. Either way, they fucked up because now Benjamin will not get much push back from what he planned to do if not go even more harder in defense of Israel. Just my thoughts.

Capt-Crap1corn

And people wonder why if Aliens do exist they won’t make contact…we can’t even get along with one another because we “BELIEVE” different things lol

Majestic-Pickle5097

It's been jews vs arabs in that area for 6,000 years. Sometimes it gets hot like right now, and the war from 50 years ago.

40 years of killing each other has led both sides to hate each other to a very large degree. 

The fully Muslim Palestine wants to eradicate all the Jews.

The mostly Jewish Israeli side lives with 20% of their population being Muslim, and while they have plenty of blood on their hands, actually do maintain western standards of morality and ethics.

Nobody here is blameless, but the side wanting genocide is definitely the one we need to root against.  

Fucking Iran is backing up the Palestinian side.... Iran..  The place more than happy to beat the brains out of someone who is gay, or who kills a woman who has sex with a man not her husband.  Yeah. Iran thinks Palestine is awesome.

Leadfoot-Lei

Israel keeps invading Palestinian land, literally kicking them out of their homes, welding their doors shut and dictating what streets Palestinians can and cannot walk on. Not counting the thousands of reported abuse by the Israeli army that goes unpunished.
This unfair and cruel treatment breeds radicals like the Hamas who then kill innocent Israeli innocent civilians indiscriminately. So both sides share some of the blame, but I blame Israel a little bit more because it is much stronger than Palestine and it should be held at a higher standard being a modern democracy.

There is no easy answer. Israel  became a nation in 1948 by UN agreement. It has had to fight off attackers ever since: three wars, terrorists, bombs, rockets, and this recent invasion. The land was a British protectorate before 1948, but it held a mix of people groups: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Arabs, Druze, Armenians, and others. No dividing lines would have satisfied everyone. Most of their neighbors have never acknowledged that Israel has a right to be there, despite the UN agreement. They want to get rid of Israel and claim the land for themselves.

rouxjean

Lots of people have always lived in the region. Many religions. Many tribes. Many different customs. One of those groups has *never* done anything to maintain the slightest veneer of cooperation with the rest. They want to live in their own world, just like everybody else, but in their case theirnown little world is all about extinguishing everybody else. So a lot of other locals have teamed up and put them under lock and key. Now they have spent so long under lock and key that the international community has largely forgotten about the causalities of their situation and has chosen to support them with money and other forma of aid. They have transformed this aid and money into weapons and trained personnel who use said weapons explicitly to destroy civilian lives. A lot of people still pretend that they are the good guys. This week for the first time I’ve seen a lot of people realize that they are sick murderous cunts and there is no good reason to allow those terrorists to govern over any population whatsoever. I very much doubt that their countless lifelong hostages/subiects will be informed enough to realize the potential benefits of joining the international community in mutually tolerant modernity. I also fully expect idealist fools from around the world to continue to project their idealized goodness upon the very clearly brainwashed population of latent terrorists, while harboring no sympathy or empathy of any kind for the actual civilian life outcomes of everybody who lives in the region. People pat themselves on the back believing that they support the underdog. The same underdog that makes the istan countries basically ungovernable. The same underdog that turned iran and afghanistan from relatively modern places forty years ago into basically living in the stone age but with automobiles nowadays… people love to pretend that there is no clear separation between the group that stands for peaceful coexistence and the group that stands for making coexistence impossible. But that clear separation exists and it’s well documented.

kayama57

I will gladly show you why they are not our friends. 

&amp;#x200B;

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/1bgro4l/interview\_with\_survivors\_on\_uss\_liberty\_do\_you/

slplante78

To put it simply, imagine someone completely unrelated to you decided to shove their unwanted guest into your house without your consent, and then chastises you for not being happy about it.

Now to protest the situation, you resulted to violence because not only does this unwelcome guest have no intention of leaving, they’ve now decided to claim even more of space in your house without your consent.

While the dispute in your house continues, the person who initially shoved the unwanted guest into your house is now branding you as the bad guy for not happily accepting the unwanted guest and resulting to violence.

Plus-Relationship833

Jews had land.

Land was taken over by muslims.

Land was “returned” to Jews post WW2 by Allied Forces.

Jews accepted and hardened by their history and funded by (mostly) America, have been ruthless in defending that land against Palestine.

Palestine still thinks Israel it’s their land (the land given to Jews post WW2).

Palestine can’t afford to fund anything close to the American-backed Israeli military. 

Palestine gets desperate and quietly funds terrorist organisations such as Hamas to target Israel.

Israel swats them down, barely breaking a sweat. 

Palestine continues. 

Israel not only defends, but starts increasing their claim to land, explicitly - had been doing it a while, but gets much more aggressive and explicit about it. 

These “settlements” further pisses off the Muslims in Palestine. Their government now calls for the death of all Jews.

Some people outside still consider Israel “stolen land” from the Muslims. Some consider it land returned to the Jews. 

The land is incredibly significant to both Islam and Judaism. They’d both consider it a desiccation of their faith for the other to inhabit the land.

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I think it's important for countries to recognize Palestine also recognize that

1. the citizens of Palestine are exactly that, citizens of a state. Thus they cannot be described as "stateless"
2. because they are not stateless, they cannot be described as refugees. More particularly, because they reside in Palestine, they especially cannot be described as refugees from Palestine.
3. they possess no right to settle outside of the state of Palestine (for example in Israel) without the permission of the sovereign government there.

Complete-Proposal729

Let's not forget that the PA celebrated Oct. 7 and blamed Israel.  They also mounted a massive diplomatic campaign to help Hamas survive.   They also pay terrorists for every attack.  They also let Hamas entrench itself in the West Bank.  The PA/PLO is still a terrorist organization.  It never stopped being one.

B0wwsser

UNRWA will also become a thing of the past, right? Of course you’re not a refugee if you’re in your home country, after all.

1000thusername

“Palestine” can now collapse like the USSR. Thank you France, UK, Canada!

Baconkings

Palestine must return the hostages unconditionally, as stated by the ICJ.
Failure to do so is a war crime.
Abbas should be arrested next time he visits one of those countries that made him king

Cool-Courage-4681

Gaza was an independent Palestinian state since 2005. They even have a border with Egypt which Israel have zero control over. They shot rockets at Israel so Israel put a partial blockade, a 100% legal and common sense measure between warring states, it doesn't make it less of a state.  
October 7th was a genocidal massacre by the state of Palestine against Jewish women and children.

vegan437

This is all moral grandstanding. I've not heard Palestinians calling for a state, they want someone else's state. Even if the whole world recognizes them as a state they themselves won't. 

I'll call it.

A few days before recognition there's going to be a widespread third intifada, stated reason will be some trumped up charges like someone slaughtering a goat on the mount but reality is they don't want recognition. All these bumbling countries will have an excuse to put recognition on the back burner.

CholentSoup

No_Discussion6913

But the Palestinians are virtuous victims that can not no wrong unlike the groups that represent them with their support. 

*(I hate needing to add the /s  though will to avoid the downvotes from those that miss the abundant sarcasm)*

Small-Objective9248

Don’t worry, this won’t improve anything. There will still be walled Palestinian “refugee camps” run by the UN right in the middle of Palestinian cities full of people who have never lived anywhere else and who have no civil rights or access to normal health care or education.

assatumcaulfield

People should have always said Palestine or Gaza instead of Hamas.

 Not using Palestine or Gaza isn't about statehood, it's about infantalising the Palestinian, and ignoring their long-standing, admitted and overarching belief in the destruction of Jews and the Jewish state. 

It's always been the Gaza-Israel war, Palestine-Israel War. That still doesn't fully capture the culpability and involvement of axis powers like Russia, China, Iran, Qatar,  or how the war is also a panArabist, pan Islamic, Axis war against Israel and the West. But using Palestine/Gaza, is a start.

Ok_Ambassador9091

You make a good point, then the idiotic leaders, like 'my' Prime Minister, Keir Starmer will know who they are rewarding.

Working_thru_stuff

Ionisation1934

WW_the_Exonian

I've never stopped saying Gaza did it.

No one's saying "The Red Army is invading Ukraine."  It's Russia.

"The PLA of the CCP want to invade Taiwan."  It's China.

Gaza did it and Gazan citizens support them.  I always say Gaza.

I do distinguish Hezbollah and Lebanon.  But that's because the Lebanese people and government are against Hezbollah.

WorkerClass

Let’s watch the videos again to see these Palestinian State Citizens cheering their government for attacking Israel and kidnapping, killing, raping and torturing Israeli citizens.

https://preview.redd.it/xhwislhbzfif1.jpeg?width=1125&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=d520230209b34a1f192326aa2591b765963ab75f

This is what the countries that acknowledge the Palestinian state accept.

mynameisnotsparta

Relevant meme:

https://9gag.com/gag/aGyb74K

livluvlaflrn3

Idk about this. Like Sec Rubio said, there is no Palestine state unless Israel allows it.

the_immovable

jseego

I don't know about you but I'm absolutely recognising the Basque, Catalan and Irish states.

pandapornotaku

That's the thing - there are different regimes in Gaza and in J&amp;S. Some call it Hamastan, including Netanyahu. It's for a reason.

gal_z

It is an easy decision that doesn't require other actions from politicians, while seeming like they are doing something. It is of little consequence if the country has no deals with Israel that could be cancelled disadvantageously.

HunterThin870

At this point, nothing. It’s performative to gain or keep votes. They recognize the PA as the de facto leader when Hamas is still there, so technically it wasn’t recognized officially until the PA takes the reins.

mariantat

Countries that have already recognized palestine know that it doesn't achieve anything. It isn't designed to achieve anything. And that's not really the questions to be asking. 

The questions to be asking include: 

What does it help prevent?

What is the signal it provides?

And now that recognition is out of the way, what is the next step in ratcheting up pressure on Israel.

Fluffy-Republic8610

The article states that

 1. The recognition of Palestine's independence allows other states to use more significant mechanisms to influence Israel than when Palestine had an uncertain status. 




2. It makes it impossible for Israel to annex all the territories of Palestine that it captured after 1967 (de jure - as an internationally recognized territory)

Any-Original-6113

Nothing at all. The recognition is not even foreign policy, it is internal policy to placate their own population.

jcrestor

Unless there is a formal recognition of Israel by the Arab countries and the new state of Palestine at the same time, all this is going to achieve is make Europeans feel better for themselves once more.

Fatalaros

Absolutely nothing. 
Palestinians have been offered a state time and time again. They always refused and instead insisted on destruction of Israel and support for Hamas (and similar organizations). They generally consider them self Arab not Palestinian and want be a part of bigger Arab state. They are not overly interested in Palestine as independent country.

It’s sad really. The biggest obstacle to Palestine becoming a normal (independent) state are Palestinians them selfs. It’s like having a drug addicted in the family. It hurts you seeing them this way but till they decide to help them selfs there is nothing you can do.

Arlandil

Achieves nothing in reality. 
Lets not pretend this is the first time someone recognizes palestine as a country. Its just a signal politicians send to satisfy voters in their own countries. Countries with a high level of muslim immigrants. 
Tomorrow its business as usual. 
For what is worth, Hamas loves it, they are all over arabic television channels claiming victory and justification for 7 oct. 

tradeit2day

Palestine is not an independent state.  I'm not saying it shouldn't be one. 

But rhat is the actual situation, the OLP is now dependent on Israel. 
There are two separate and rival governments in Palestine. 
There are Israeli settlements inside the Palestinian territory , that is not something that an independent state would permit.

An independent state by definition controls their territory. The OLP has  limited control of parts of Cisjordanie. Hamas used to control Gaza but Gaza is now  effectively  a bunch of ruins in a state of semi-anarchy or occupied by Israel. 

With all the goodwill of the world they aren't an  independent state. 

An independent state has by definition:

- An independent government 
- control and monopoly of violence over a territory 
- relationships with other governments.


Saying that Palestine has that is a stretch

ResourceDelicious276

&gt;"Western states embrace symbolic gestures, while Palestinians are left with neither justice nor statehood, only a widening gap between lived reality and international performance," Ines Abdel Razek, advocacy director for the Palestine Institute for Public Diplomacy, based in Ramallah, in the occupied West Bank

With the USA and Israel aligned, it looks increasingly likely Palestinians will be moved to other territories because Gaza is becoming unlivable. [Have a gander at the incredible GREAT Trust, USA/Israel plan for Gaza (Palestinian not included).](https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/f86dd56a-de7f-4943-af4a-84819111b727.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_4)

Palestinians did no favour to themselves by electing Hamas as leaders.

There aren't moderates in power at either sides, to make peaceful coexistence an option.

Terrible as it may be, if Palestinian and Israeli haven't found a way to coexist in seventy years, it's increasingly likely this only ends with one side wiping out the other...

SisterOfBattIe

Israel has already annexed Jerusalem in 1980 as part of its Basic Law, which functions as a constitution: 

***Jerusalem, Capital of Israel:***

*1. Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel.*

***Seat of the President, the Knesset, the Government and the Supreme Court:***

*2. Jerusalem is the seat of the President of the State, the Knesset, the Government and the Supreme Court.*

***Protection of Holy Places:***

*3. The Holy Places shall be protected from desecration and any other violation and from anything likely to violate the freedom of access of the members of the different religions to the places sacred to them or their feelings towards those places.*

***Development of Jerusalem:***

*4. (a) The Government shall provide for the development and prosperity of Jerusalem and the well-being of its inhabitants by allocating special funds, including a special annual grant to the Municipality of Jerusalem (Capital City Grant) with the approval of the Finance Committee of the Knesset.* *(b) Jerusalem shall be given special priority in the activities of the authorities of the State so as to further its development in economic and other matters.* *(c) The Government shall set up a special body or special bodies for the implementation of this section.*

Amendment no. 1 (passed by the Knesset on 27 November 2000):

***Area of the jurisdiction of Jerusalem***

*5. The jurisdiction of Jerusalem includes, as pertaining to this basic law, among others, all of the area that is described in the appendix of the proclamation expanding the borders of municipal Jerusalem beginning the 20th of Sivan 5727 (28 June 1967), as was given according to the Cities' Ordinance.*

***Prohibition of the transfer of authority***

*6. No authority that is stipulated in the law of the State of Israel or of the Jerusalem Municipality may be transferred either permanently or for an allotted period of time to a foreign body, whether political, governmental or to any other similar type of foreign body.*

***Entrenchment***

*7. Clauses 5 and 6 shall not be modified except by a Basic Law passed by a majority of the members of the Knesset.*

Hugogol

Nothing. Its lipflapping pandering. Gaza was egypt. There never was a Palestinian state or people.

It won’t stop them at all - if anything, Israel will ramp it up, and in the meantime we have shown we support terrorist violence with all the consequences we’ll have to face in our own countries.

cibgsanti

Nothing except now you don't have a leverage to negotiate with Israel anymore.

flioink

What exactly is anyone recognizing here?

The Palestinians *have every opportunity now* to have a country.

They've dragged their feet and want land they do not live on, or possess, or really even have any *claim* to. The areas they live in now were owned by Jordan and Egypt. Those countries did not 'deed' the land to them. It's so bizarre we have this concept of the Palestinians land being occupied when it really does appear that they haven't actually owned the land. Israel's perspective of this land being disputed makes sense. 

What this posturing with declaring recognition does is try to put pressure on Israel to *cede* land to Palestinians. And it does so without offering any solutions beyond feel-good posturing of "we believe in a two-state solution and want everyone to come together".

Palestinians demonstrate they do not want a two-state solution. They want what isn't theirs to have -- and the only progress they've made in that regard is creating a propaganda and "alternative fact" war that minimizes why they aren't currently sitting on any of the land in question: they've continually chosen to fight a winner-take-all battle, and they've simply lost. The current land divisions are fair in that regard. And by not establishing a state in the territory they live in, they're slowly allowing more and more land to get "taken" because it, essentially, is available for the taking.

It's so frustrating to see leaders in the world continue on this path of a 'two-state solution" that has only ever been defined as Palestinians getting land they don't own and a capital they don't live in. The Palestinians only export seems to be war and religious islamist ideology.

theoceansknow

Its means absolutely nothing under the montevideo convention of 1933 there are several criteria before Palestine can be recognised as a sovereign state under international law and No matter how many individual countries recognise Palestinian independence full UN membership requires the approval of the Security Council.
But its the first step but all it really does in change the name on maps from occupied Palestine to just Palestine

IR_LeGenDz_aP_21

I was actually on the fence about supporting Israel, but seeing the outpouring of support that Palestine receives from countries like Spain, despite having nothing to do with Europe, actually makes me pro-Israel. I hate the far-left so much.

chessboardtable

Trang0ul

Nothing. They’re gonna be wiped off the map and all will be forgotten in 10-20 years. There will be outrage and boycotts but that won’t last. Eventually, one by one, those outraged countries will forget.

That’s how the world usually works anyways.

McChava

It will accomplish placating certain voting blocks in these countries thay are highly passionate but very low information one issue voters, all at a cost of zero action whatsoever to the leaders/governments in question

throwawayyawaworth77

Nothing but political stunt of a failing governments

Astarogal

JimbosBalls

It means that Israel can no longer rely on European states for its survival. Never again has become meaningless.
We will most likely see an Palestine state before we recognize Taiwan, Most likely we will even drop Taiwan completely in the end

Mean_Wear_742

It’s like buying a new curtain shower with glitter.

Primary-Plankton5219

Fuel prolonged hostilities in that part of the world.

Loose-Interaction-23

It will empower Hamas even further.

“If you want a state, kill some Jews” is the sick message Sir Keir Starmer has sadly just broadcast to the world. 

He says his recognition of a State of Palestine while Hamas continues to hold half-starved Jews in its dank tunnels and still dreams of annihilating the Jewish State is not a ‘reward for terror’. 

He isn’t fooling anyone, possibly not even himself. Somewhere in the recesses of what remains of his moral sensibility, even he must know that bestowing legitimacy on a ‘state’ part-ruled by a neo-fascist militia is an act of lethal cowardice that benefits no one but the neo-fascists.

LukasJackson67

It's all internal politics. Macron wishes he at least gains support from Muslims, when everybody hates him.  
Current Spanish government is pretty corrupt (from what I heard), so it's a good distraction.

4tegon

GuyLookingForPorn

It’s says fairly clearly to Israel that “you’re really pissing us off”. Other than that it’s purely symbolic.

SensitivePotato44

Restoration of Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria?

Smart_Decision_1496

Gaza and the West Bank have no means of communication between one another.
Not even through the sea. 

At this point, either Israel allows one giant corridor to be built between them (and good luck with that), or its a THREE state solution if were really looking for a solution, not two.

Am I missing something? Because it seems so obvious, yet I never hear it anywhere.

CopperThief29

Little, but at least more than doing nothing.

Dot-Slash-Dot

They find new reasons to continue the conflict

UnknownMight

It's useless outside some mor egotistical pressures which can be applied. Israel would face a harder time if everyone snatcions them for occupying sovereign land. It's more symbolic since if an active genocide doenst get people to sanction Israel what else will?

Saurid

I would point out that Mississippi is also a state.

nadmaximus

Its a policy step. Now we have permanent members of the UN Security Council recognize Palestine. This goes from a domestic dispute to conflict between two nation states. Western Govts have very different policies and uses of force/aid/diplomacy when one State has Conflict with the other.

This could get real froggy if Russia and China side with the UK, France and it isolates the USA in terms of permanent members.

cindad83

National-Sky-2106

I just assumed it was performative nonsense with the goal of temporarily quelling domestic dissent.

Neither the West Bank nor certainly Gaza (and it's not clear which of these is the "state" being recognized) have had de-facto sovereignty for many decades.

RedditArchivist2

Medium-to-full

Nothing. Only one country's opinion actually matters on it whether we like it or not

haigboardman

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jenpalex

Factually that changes nothing. In 2011, the State of Palestine was admitted into UNESCO. In 2012, it was accepted as an observer state of the UN General Assembly. So for most of the world Palestine is already a state.

Ikcenhonorem

Nothing, if the secret gun trade with Israel still continues.

InkVision001

I hope it actually helps resolve the massacres because all I see as a reaction on social media is more arguing about 'Palestine being thousands of years older than the first hint of Israel' which helps NO ONE as it's a blatant lie and it's not even debatable, historically. From what I gathered, it's not even an identity, it was a name of the region, like the Alps or something. I'm so tired from fantasies being equally valid as solid data, in all aspects of day to day life.

GlacialImpala

I'll oppose lots of the other comments here to say that recognizing Palestine is massively important and we should not be discouraging it. Ofc it's not the only thing to be done, but it's a necessary step.

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